Ed Miliband: Why Blair & Farage Are Wrong About Net Zero (Part 2)

The Rest Is Politics: Leading May 30, 2025
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Rory Stewart and Alastair Campbell, hosts of Britain's biggest podcast (The Rest Is Politics), have joined forces once again for their new interview podcast, ‘Leading’. Whether they're sports stars, thought-leaders, presidents or internationally-recognised religious figures, Alastair and Rory lift the lid on the motivation, philosophy and secrets behind their career.

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How did Ed Miliband recover from Labour’s 2015 defeat and decide to remain in politics? Can the Energy Secretary win the argument for Net Zero against the likes of Tony Blair and Nigel Farage? Is it possible to be in politics and be a good parent? 00:00 – Intro & recap of Part 1 00:18 – Coping with the 2015 election defeat 01:52 – Rebuilding purpose and role as MP 03:05 – Jeremy Corbyn’s rise 04:37 – Public reactions & family resilience 06:51 – Ed’s personality vs political image 08:08 – Press treatment & the Daily Mail 10:25 – Voters’ expectations of authenticity 11:16 – Challenges of message discipline in politics 12:40 – Relationship with Keir Starmer 13:23 – Climate role & right-wing attacks on net zero 18:04 – Tony Blair’s climate report & Ed’s response 21:12 – Reframing net zero as better living 23:59 – Risks of climate failure 26:47 – Passion for progressive causes 27:15 – Labour’s progressive record so far 29:59 – Big historical failures of centrism 31:08 – Capitalism critique & structural reform 33:05 – Biden, Trump & political empathy 34:14 – Labour’s strategy vs Farage 35:43 – Explaining your political mission to your kids 37:24 – Parenting & frontline politics 39:03 – Debrief

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