How Should We Solve Inequality? Sam Harris & Rutger Bregman

Sam Harris May 2, 2025
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Sam Harris is the host of the widely acclaimed Making Sense podcast and the creator of the Waking Up app, which offers a modern approach to living a more examined life through in-depth mindfulness training and secular wisdom. He is also a neuroscientist, philosopher, and author of five New York Times bestsellers, including The End of Faith, The Moral Landscape, Free Will, Lying, and Waking Up. Sam’s work spans a broad range of topics—neuroscience, moral philosophy, religion, political polarization, rationality—but generally focuses on how a deeper understanding of ourselves and the world can transform the way we live. Sam has practiced meditation for over 30 years, studying with Tibetan, Indian, Burmese, and Western teachers in both the United States and abroad. He holds a degree in philosophy from Stanford University and a Ph.D. in neuroscience from UCLA.

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Making Sense episode #412 To watch the full episode, subscribe at samharris.org/subscribe. You'll get access to all full-length episodes of the podcast, and Sam's Substack, where you can engage with the Making Sense community. We offer scholarships for those who cannot afford the full subscription price. You can also become a channel member to watch full episodes on YouTube only. Sam Harris speaks with Rutger Bregman about Rutger’s new book, Moral Ambition: Stop Wasting Your Talent and Start Making a Difference. They discuss why it seems like we are at the hinge of human history, wealth inequality, how altruism should be rewarded, how we should think about philanthropic billionaires, effective altruism, why empathy is overrated, moral entrepreneurship, universal basic income, work and meaning, existential risk, and other topics. Rutger Bregman is a Dutch historian and author. His books Utopia for Realists (2017) and Humankind (2020) have sold over 2 million copies and have been translated into 46 languages. In 2024, he co-founded The School for Moral Ambition, a non-profit inspired by his book Moral Ambition: Stop Wasting Your Talent and Start Making a Difference (Dutch edition 2024), which helps ambitious people tackle the world’s most pressing problems. The English edition of Moral Ambition will be released on May 6, 2025. Website: rutgerbregman.com X: @rcbregman

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