Ken Liu | What AI Reveals About Humanity

Foresight Institute October 13, 2025
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In this episode, Ken Liu joins the podcast to explore how science fiction serves as our modern mythology. We discuss his new techno-thriller "All That We See or Seem", the concept of egolets (AI capturing facets of our identity), the noematograph (AI as a camera for thought), and the role of collective dreaming in making us more human. Ken also reflects on Frankenstein, Philip K. Dick, the challenge of translation, and why technology is “the mind made tangible.” Ken's new book is now available to buy: https://www.amazon.com/All-That-Seem-Julia-Novel/dp/1668083175/ref=sr_1_1?crid=YQBXYV3NPYRQ&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.qZEp-FJsQjZ1DeI_1aU9dUCHVQLskKq0l80APpXt8lY._8ZY1FJprDwz6sXFyMqa538OZaQZx-_KzsBkHjRww1g&dib_tag=se&keywords=ken+liu+all+that+we+see+or+seem&qid=1758810447&sprefix=ken+liu+all%2Caps%2C326&sr=8-1 Chapters 00:00 Exploring 'All That We See or Seem' 02:17 The Ubiquity of AI in Everyday Life 04:57 EgoLeds: The Personal AI Assistants 07:38 AI and Human Relationships 09:46 The Role of Technology in Humanity 12:44 The Dystopian vs. Hopeful View of AI 15:02 The Role of Sci-Fi Authors in Society 17:39 Collective Dreaming and AI 20:25 Mind Uploading and Consciousness 38:08 Exploring Consciousness and Subjectivity 39:42 The Transition to Digital Immortality 40:45 Hopeful or Cautionary Tales? 42:21 The Nature of Human Expression 44:29 Continuity of Self in Uploading 48:04 Degrees of Uploading and the Sense of Self 52:12 Practical Considerations for Uploading 53:06 Ethics of Uploading and Consciousness 56:00 The Art of Translation 01:03:17 Cultural Perspectives on Technology 01:05:42 The Role of Sci-Fi in Society 01:13:07 A Hopeful Vision for the Future

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