We need to 'gravitise' quantum mechanics, not quantise gravity | Roger Penrose | Full interview
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Sir Roger Penrose speaks to Curt Jaimungal about key turning points in his life's work, and the 'blatant contradiction' in quantum mechanics that is yet to be solved. How did the Kennedy assassination set the scene for the discovery of Twistor theory? With a free trial, you can watch Roger Penrose debate the viability of a multiverse at https://iai.tv/video/journey-to-other-dimensions-roger-penrose?utm_source=YouTube&utm_medium=description In this exclusive interview, Roger Penrose discusses the shortcomings and blatant contradictions of quantum mechanics which led his career down a different path to most. Whilst others are on the quest to quantise gravity Penrose discusses his alternative approach to "gravitise" quantum mechanics. Join interviewer Curt Jaimungal in listening to Penrose's career highlights, criticisms of quantum mechanics and thoughts on Einstein, Dirac and other great thinkers in physics and mathematics. #physics #penrose #kennedy #quantumphysics #quantummechanics #gravity Roger Penrose is a world-renowned mathematician, mathematical physicist, philosopher of science and Nobel Laureate in Physics. He is best known for his work on general relativity and sharing the Wolf Prize for Physics with Stephen Hawking for his work on black holes. Interviewed by filmmaker and presenter Curt Jaimungal, host of @TheoriesofEverything 00:00 Introduction 00:29 What are you most proud of in your career? 01:58 The collapse of the wave function 07:50 The Diósi–Penrose model 11:01 Were you ever led to discover a breakthrough by flawed reasoning? 12:02 What has been your equivalent of Einstein’s ‘happiest thought’? 12:52 The Kennedy assassination 14:32 Working out Twistor theory in a car ride back from southern Texas 23:35 Two-component vs four-component spinors 24:42 Meeting Paul Dirac 27:48 Was Einstein wrong? 28:50 The wrong wrongness The Institute of Art and Ideas features videos and articles from cutting edge thinkers discussing the ideas that are shaping the world, from metaphysics to string theory, technology to democracy, aesthetics to genetics. Subscribe today! https://iai.tv/subscribe?utm_source=YouTube&utm_medium=description&utm_campaign=roger-penrose-on-the-blatant-contradiction-of-quantum-mechanics For debates and talks: https://iai.tv For articles: https://iai.tv/articles For courses: https://iai.tv/iai-academy/courses
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