Why Trump Could Lose His Trade War With China | The Ezra Klein Show

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My colleague Tom Friedman thinks we’re screwed. That’s the first thing he told me when recounting his recent trip to China. It’s not just because of the trade war that President Trump is escalating right now. Friedman believes the whole Washington consensus on China — that the country is a hostile adversary — is dangerous and based on an outdated understanding of what China now is. He saw how China’s manufacturing and technology have advanced so far that in many ways it now surpasses the United States’. In this conversation, Friedman walks me through the advancements he saw in some of the most critical fields of the coming decades — including A.I., E.V.s and clean energy. We discuss why he sees the current consensus as dangerous, what a different path might look like and what the United States should do to develop its domestic manufacturing so that we don’t “get steamrolled.” 0:00 Intro 1:36 Why Americans misunderstand China 10:30 China's technological advancements 15:23 Washington consensus on China 30:15 Trump's tariffs 51:42 Democrats on China 56:17 America's cultural revolution? 1:02:11 Impressions of China 1:04:55 Book recommendations Read the full transcript here: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/15/opinion/ezra-klein-podcast-thomas-friedman.html Watch more on @EzraKleinShow Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at [email protected]. You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.