Anne Applebaum: Ukraine, Europe, Trump, and the Danger of Authoritarianism

Conversations with Bill Kristol August 28, 2025
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Where do things stand? Chapter 1 (00:15 - 31:04): Trump, Europe, Ukraine Chapter 2 (31:04 - 52:44): The Danger of Authoritarianism Much has happened since we were last joined by Pulitzer Prize-winning historian Anne Applebaum in February, including the Trump-Putin summit in Alaska and the Zelensky visit to the White House that provoked an alarmed and last-minute rush to join by European heads of state. In this Conversation, Applebaum shares her perspective on the situation on the ground in Ukraine and the response in European capitals to reduced US support for Ukraine on the battlefield. Drawing on her recent book Autocracy, Inc, out this week in paperback, Applebaum considers the growing authoritarian threat and dangers to liberal democracy on both sides of the Atlantic. As she states, “the farther you go down the road [to authoritarianism], the harder it becomes to turn back.”

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