Klaus Biesenbach, was ist Kunst? | Interviewpodcast "Alles gesagt?"

ZEIT Podcast July 14, 2025
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Er ist der Direktor der Neuen Nationalgalerie in Berlin, war Chief Curator at Large beim MoMA in New York und ist eine der prägenden Persönlichkeiten der internationalen Kunstwelt. Jetzt ist Klaus Biesenbach zu Gast im unendlichen Podcast. Biesenbach spricht über die vielen Definitionen von Kunst – und kritisiert den heutigen Kunstmarkt. Er spricht über die Macht von Social Media und wie er sein Privatleben schützt: "Ich war viel zu sichtbar." Klaus Biesenbach spricht über den überwältigenden Erfolg der von ihm kuratierten Ausstellung The Artist is Present von Marina Abramović im MoMA im Jahr 2010 – und über den Flop seiner Ausstellung mit der Musikerin Björk, der für ihn ein Wendepunkt in seiner Karriere war. "Das war überdehnt", sagt er heute. Klaus Biesenbach wurde 1966 in Bergisch-Gladbach geboren und ist in der Gemeinde Kürten im Rheinisch-Bergischen Land aufgewachsen. Er erzählt von seiner einfachen Kindheit auf dem Land – und warum er nie Deutscher sein wollte. Biesenbach ist mittlerweile deutscher und amerikanischer Staatsbürger. Als während seines Studienaufenthalts in New York 1989 in Deutschland die Mauer fiel, beschloss er, nach Berlin zu ziehen. Im Alter von 24 Jahren wurde er der Co-Gründer der Kunstwerke in Berlin-Mitte, später ging er nach New York und wechselte zur Kunsthalle PS1, die zum MoMA gehört, und schließlich zum MoMA selbst. Im Podcast erzählt er, wie ihn seine Zeit in Israel in einem Kibbuz geprägt hat, warum er jahrelang mit einer Wildgans lebte, wieso er Haushaltswarengeschäfte liebt, was er sich von Joseph Beuys abgeschaut hat, und wie es dazu kam, dass er die Popband Kraftwerk ausstellte. Klaus Biesenbach sagt, dass er mittlerweile in seinem zwölften Leben angekommen sei. Nach 5 Stunden und 20 Minuten beendet er das Gespräch, denn das kann bei Alles gesagt? nur der Gast. #zeitonline #allesgesagt #kunst

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