Michael Saylor: 100x Return Strategy, Bitcoin vs Macro Panic & the BTC Corporate Treasury Revolution

Natalie Brunell May 8, 2025
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Natalie Brunell is an investing journalist, podcaster and Bitcoin educator who hosts the Coin Stories Podcast on YouTube, Rumble, Apple, Google Play and Spotify. Follow Host Natalie Brunell: X https://twitter.com/natbrunell Instagram https://www.instagram.com/nataliebrunell Apple Podcasts https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/coin-stories/id1569130932 Thank you for listening and sharing.

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Natalie Brunell is joined by Michael Saylor, Executive Chairman of Strategy ($MSTR) and arguably the most prominent Bitcoin advocate, for a compelling discussion on corporate, retal & U.S. Bitcoin adoption. Topics include: - Why Zombie corporations are embracing Bitcoin - The promise of Bitcoin for all corporations and business - Market uncertainty, macro headwinds, and why Bitcoin is the solution - How to remain calm during market chaos - Innovative financial instruments and the latest Strategy product offerings, $STRF and $STRK - What has surprised Saylor most about the U.S. warming to Bitcoin - How average wage-earner can 100x their money - Why Bitcoin’s price isn’t closer to $200k - Michael’s latest price prediction - The “secret of Bitcoin” And much more. This insightful conversation offers a comprehensive look at why Bitcoin is emerging as a strategic imperative for corporations and a cornerstone of the future financial system. As a bonus, Saylor shares personal advice that could prove to be life-changing. Guest Bio: Michael J. Saylor is an American entrepreneur and Executive Chairman of Strategy (formerly MicroStrategy), a business intelligence firm he co-founded in 1989. A graduate of MIT, Saylor is renowned for transforming his company into the largest corporate holder of Bitcoin, with holdings exceeding 500,000 BTC as of 2025. Coin Stories is powered by *Bitwise*. Bitwise has over $10B in client assets, 32 investment products, and a team of 100+ employees across the U.S. and Europe, all solely focused on Bitcoin and digital assets since 2017. Learn more at https://www.bitwiseinvestments.com *Bitdeer Technologies Group* (NASDAQ: BTDR) is a publicly-traded leader in Bitcoin mining and high-performance computing. Learn more at www.bitdeer.com *NATALIE BRUNELL'S RECOMMENDED BITCOIN PRODUCTS, SERVICES, & EVENTS* 🔐 *Multisig & Inheritance Planning* - Secure your Bitcoin with Casa: https://www.casa.io/natalie (Get a discounted plan!) 🔒 *Bitkey Cold Storage* - Bitkey was named to TIME's prestigious Best Inventions of 2024 in the category of Privacy & Security. Get 20% off using code STORIES at https://bitkey.world ⚡ *Lightning Payments* - Use Speed Lightning Wallet & get 5,000 free sats! Sign up with promo code COINSTORIES10: https://www.speed.app/sweepstakes-promocode/ 💰 *Buy Bitcoin & Earn Interest* – Use River and get 3.8% interest on your cash balance: https://partner.river.com/natalie 👩‍🏫 *1-on-1 Bitcoin Help* – Self-custody, privacy, and VPN support with The Bitcoin Way: https://www.thebitcoinway.com/natalie 🔒 *Coinkite Cold Storage Security* – Save 5% on ColdCard Wallet: https://store.coinkite.com/promo/COINSTORIES 💳 *Bitcoin Rewards Credit Card* - Earn Bitcoin on every purchase with the Gemini credit card: https://www.gemini.com/natalie 🎟️ *Bitcoin 2025 in Las Vegas (May 27-29)* – Plus, join me for my 4th Annual Women of Bitcoin Brunch! Get 10% off passes with code HODL: https://tickets.b.tc/affiliate/hodl/event/bitcoin-2025 📲 *SIM Swap Protection* – Secure your mobile phone from hacks that could steal your Bitcoin with Efani, trusted by CEOs, VIPs and top corporations: https://www.efani.com/natalie 🏥 *Ditch Fiat Health Insurance* – Join CrowdHealth: https://joincrowdhealth.com/natalie (or use promo code NATALIE) 🏕️ *Bitcoin Retreat – Camp Nakamoto* – Discounted passes with code HODL: https://massadoptionbtc.ticketspice.com/camp-nakamoto *IN THIS COIN STORIES EPISODE* 00:00 Era of corporate Bitcoin treasury strategy 02:48 The conventional corporate playbook 03:32 Treasury reserve asset options 03:57 Bitwise Investments 04:25 Bitdeer Technologies Group 04:48 Bitcoin 2025 Vegas - Women of Bitcoin Brunch 04:58 Macro Headwinds and Financial Market Uncertainty 06:15 The problem with being businesses being decapitalized 07:25 Bitcoin’s collateral advantage 08:56 Best way to 100x your money 11:29 Saylor’s greatest compliment 11:55 Casa 12:24 Bitkey 12:44 The Bitcoin Way 13:06 Coinkite - securing your Bitcoin 13:22 Speed Wallet 13:37 New Strategy product offerings explained 15:39 Innovative financial instruments & BitBonds 17:05 Bitcoin “The Sucrose of Finance” 17:28 U.S. Bitcoin adoption 18:37 Why isn’t Bitcoin’s price higher than $100k? 19:55 Calm during financial market chaos 21:17 Bitcoin in times of macro panic 24:00 Strategy (Microstrategy performance) 26:16 The “Secret of Bitcoin” *OTHER RESOURCES* Natalie Brunell’s website https://www.talkingbitcoin.com/ *VALUE FOR VALUE — SUPPORT NATALIE BRUNELL’S SHOWS* Strike ID https://strike.me/coinstoriesnat/ Cash App $CoinStories *FOLLOW NATALIE BRUNELL ON SOCIAL MEDIA* X https://x.com/natbrunell Instagram https://www.instagram.com/nataliebrunell Linkedin https://www.linkedin.com/in/nataliebrunell Producer: Aron Bender https://www.linkedin.com/in/aron-bender/ Editor: Silas Foley DISCLAIMER Coin Stories is for entertainment purposes only and does not give financial advice. #bitcoin #crypto #bitcoinpodcast

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