A Morning With Vivian Wilson, Elon’s Estranged Daughter

matt bernstein May 16, 2025
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In today’s special episode, we’re taking a break from political and cultural analysis to chat with someone who’s been at the center of today’s culture wars but rarely in her own voice: Vivian Jenna Wilson, Elon Musk’s 21-year-old estranged trans daughter. She tells us about her decision to take back her voice after years of being spoken for by an unsupportive father, dealing with lunatics online, and putting Jordan Peterson in his place. Listen to bonus episodes on Patreon! https://www.patreon.com/mattbernstein Thanks to today’s sponsors! Work smarter, not harder, with Factor meals ready in two minutes at https://www.factormeals.com/fruity50off. Get 15% off a cuter, more sustainable way to clean at https://www.blueland.com/fruity. Find Vivian on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/vivllainous/?hl=en Find Vivian on Threads: https://www.threads.com/@vivllainous Find me on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mattxiv/ Find A Bit Fruity on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/abitfruitypod/ CHAPTERS 0:00 Intro 2:07 Dealing with the sudden spotlight 4:01 “My son is dead” 9:34 Slurs :) 11:18 Were you scared to go public? 12:07 Shoutout Factor :) 13:40 Vivian’s coming out 15:58 Being turned into a culture war pawn 23:55 Reading insane things about yourself 26:18 LGBT conservatives (sorry but I had to) 30:38 Blueland shoutout :) 32:23 The Jordan Peterson Roast! 33:55 Looking to the future 37:43 Words for baby trans 39:38 Katy Perry in space + pop culture hot takes! 44:33 STAY FRUITY :’)

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