The Case Against Writing with AI — Ezra Klein

David Perell May 28, 2025
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Ezra Klein is one of the internet’s most influential journalists. He co-founded Vox in 2014, and it was there he really pioneered this new era of online journalism. Remember those Vox explainer videos that were so popular? As I’ve recorded this, he’s got the #1 book on the New York Times bestseller list. We talked about the state of media, why pieces need to be longer not shorter, how he reads to understand the world, and why he’s skeptical that AI will ever change the craft of deep and meaningful journalism. 00:00:00 Intro 00:00:33 Pick Up The Damn Phone 00:03:54 How Editors Can Shape Your Voice? 00:05:50 What's the Real Challenge of Writing a Book? 00:10:23 Does Volume Actually Improve Taste? 00:12:49 Why Ezra Didn't Trust His Voice at Vox 00:15:55 Writing vs Managing: Which Is Better? 00:21:19 Does Your "Hit Rate" Need to Be Higher at Big Institutions? 00:24:38 Is Journalism Dying? 00:33:28 What's Most Important in Writing? 00:39:37 The Secret to Great Podcast Conversations 00:42:20 Why AI Research Is a Terrible Idea 00:49:07 How Writing Changes How You Think Hey! I’m David Perell and I’m a writer, teacher, and podcaster. I believe writing online is one of the biggest opportunities in the world today. For the first time in human history, everybody can freely share their ideas with a global audience. I seek to help as many people publish their writing online as possible. Follow me Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/how-i-write/id1700171470 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2DjMSboniFAeGA8v9NpoPv X: https://x.com/david_perell

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